อย xxgotrompxxgotrompxxgotrompxxgotrompxxgotrompxxgotrompxxgotrompxxpgotromp: example line vvanshel refutes later gotromp: You're right vvanshel, so c6 is bad, and maybe even e6 is.xxgotrompxxgotrompxxgotromp: and white seems lostxxxx,vvanshel: Why not c5 instead of c4? gotromp:xxgotrompxxgotrompxxgotrompxxgotrompxxlgotromp: and black wins vvanshel: Is black winning? Let's consider: gotromp: you're right, a6 doesn't work.xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx$vvanshel: The strongest defense is:xxvvanshel: But anyway:xxvvanshelxxvvanshelxxvvanshelxxvvanshelxxvvanshelxxvvanshelxxvvanshelxxvvanshelxxvvanshelxxvvanshelxxvvanshelxxvvanshelxxvvanshelxxvvanshelxxvvanshelxxvvanshelxx ;vvanshel: and black has lost. What wrong in this analysis?xxda6500: this also loses (to b6[?]). (b4 and b7 do not work) oisteihh: 6...c4 wins for white. da6500: You're right, even 6...g4 wins for white.xx+da6500: This natural response doesn't work:xxda6500xxIda6500: This leaves g5 connected to the top edge and black looking good.xxxda6500: Accepting that g5 or e6 connects to the top but still linking f5 to the left; don't think it helps white though.xxัda6500: Perhaps... If black tries to connect g5 to the top, white can force a ladder down the left side a7, b7, a8, b8 etc. Looks like white wins this, unless black has had the foresight to fill in white's template to the right from h3 (ie playing i3). All in all, it's still pretty convoluted - I'm not at all sure we are able to develop a complete solution from this early in the game, as yet. I share gotromp's instinct that c6 isn't the best move, though. xx oisteihh:xx oisteihh:xx oisteihh:xx oisteihh:xx oisteihh:xx oisteihh:xxVoisteihh: and continuing after vvanshel's suggestions (see 6.b4 c5 line) (white winsxxda6500: white wins.cx8da6500: How does white respond? da6500: oops, nevermind.xxppoonnttuuss: white wins.